July 4, 2025
No Cure, No Problem: A Systems-Based Approach to Healing with Jason Ott
Send us a text Struggling with chronic symptoms and conflicting advice? Jason Ott, author of No Cure, No Problem, shares how to layer lifestyle, herbs, and medical care into a personalized healing system that works—even when the journey takes time. Have you ever felt like healing has to be fast—or it isn’t working? In today’s episode of Pivoting Pharmacy with Nutrigenomics, I’m joined by integrative health expert Jason Ott, author of No Cure, No Problem, who shares his powerful personal story...
Struggling with chronic symptoms and conflicting advice? Jason Ott, author of No Cure, No Problem, shares how to layer lifestyle, herbs, and medical care into a personalized healing system that works—even when the journey takes time.
Have you ever felt like healing has to be fast—or it isn’t working?
In today’s episode of Pivoting Pharmacy with Nutrigenomics, I’m joined by integrative health expert Jason Ott, author of No Cure, No Problem, who shares his powerful personal story and the practical systems he now teaches others to use when navigating complex health journeys.
He didn’t just recover his own health—he turned it into a roadmap.
BY THE TIME YOU FINISH LISTENING, YOU’LL DISCOVER:
- Why healing isn’t a quick fix and why that’s actually a good thing
- How to bridge conventional and herbal therapies safely and effectively
- The four fundamentals Jason recommends mastering first, before any advanced protocols
This episode is for you if you're tired of quick fixes and ready for a deeper, more sustainable path to wellness.
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00:00 - Breaking the Traditional Healthcare Mold
02:59 - Jason's Personal Healing Journey
06:12 - The "No Cure, No Problem" Philosophy
09:57 - Lifestyle Menu Framework for Healing
12:40 - Bridging Herbs and Conventional Medicine
20:47 - The Fundamental Four Health Habits
25:58 - From MS to Hunting: A Success Story
29:28 - Finding Your Why and Staying Motivated
33:26 - Key Advice and Debunking Autoimmune Myths
36:38 - Final Reflections and Episode Takeaways
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I try to give true informed consent so they understand the pros and cons of both sides and then have better questions to ask back to the doctor they're going to see, including maybe the specialist that I am not in contact with.
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If you want to break the mold of traditional pharmacy and healthcare, you are in the right place.
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Welcome to the Pivoting Pharmacy with Nutrigenomics podcast, part of the Pharmacy Podcast Network.
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Here's a little truth bomb.
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We're all unique, down to our DNA, so it's no wonder we react differently to the same medications, foods and environment.
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Here's a million dollar question how can you discover exactly what your body needs, which medication, what foods or supplements and which exercises are right for you?
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How can you manage chronic conditions like diabetes without more medications?
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How can you lose weight and keep it off?
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How do you tap into your genetic blueprint so you can stop surviving and start thriving in health and life?
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That is the question, and this podcast will give you the answer.
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I'm your host, Dr.
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Tamar Lawful doctor of pharmacy.
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Let's pivot into genomics and bring healthcare to higher levels.
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Hey friends, welcome back to Pivoting Pharmacy with Nutrigenomics.
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I'm your host, Dr.
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Tamar Lawful, Doctor of Pharmacy and Certified Nutritional Genomics Specialist.
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If you ever thought I've tried everything and nothing's working, this episode is for you.
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Maybe you're managing a chronic condition, maybe you've been handed a diagnosis and not a lot of hope, or maybe you're just feeling overwhelmed by all the options, all the opinions and all the pressure to figure it out on your own.
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Today's guest, jason Ott, knows that story firsthand.
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Before becoming an integrative health educator and author of no Cure no Problem, jason was a single dad facing a serious health condition with no insurance, no clear answers and no quick fix.
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With no insurance, no clear answers and no quick fix.
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Instead of giving up, he started where he was, with food, faith, herbs and a deep commitment to learn what his body needed to heal, and over time, he created a framework to help others do the same.
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So in today's episode, we're gonna talk about why healing is rarely linear and why that's not a bad thing.
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How to safely combine herbal medicine, conventional care and lifestyle changes.
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We're going to talk about why healing is rarely linear and why that's not a bad thing.
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How to safely combine herbal medicine, conventional care and lifestyle changes, and the four fundamental habits Jason recommends mastering before you try anything else.
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If you're tired of jumping from one protocol to the next and wonder why nothing sticks, this conversation will bring you clarity, encouragement and a whole new way to look at healing.
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Listen in, jason.
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Thank you for joining us on Pivoting Pharmacy with Nutrigenomics.
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I'm looking forward to picking your brain today.
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Thank you for having me.
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I'm excited about this.
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I've listened to a few of your episodes and I like what you talk about, so I'm excited to see the questions that come up.
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Well, thank you for that, Jason, you know let's start with your story.
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Can you share what led you from struggling with your own illness to becoming a guide for others on their healing journey?
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Yeah, I can.
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It originally started and I think listening to some of your episodes, it makes a lot of sense.
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Is it originally started with my mom, who had cancer as a kid growing up and she's an identical twin.
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She ended up beating the cancer but her identical twin has never had cancer and is still alive.
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So that got me into this world and I went to my original schooling thinking I was doing good, which maybe I was doing some good.
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But then I had my own health issue, which then once I started having success, actually improving it through food, through herbs, through lifestyle, because I was so young.
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Then I went back to school to teach other people.
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I wanted to make sure that just because I had success doesn't mean I can help other people.
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So I wanted to go back and learn those things so I could share them with other people to the degree they want to use them.
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I love that.
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Do you mind sharing a little bit of your story with us?
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Yeah.
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So when I got diagnosed I kind of had my choices made up for me because I was a single dad, I just started my own business and I did not have health insurance.
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So that actually at the time felt like a curse but was actually a blessing long-term, because when I first got told that I didn't have the means to do all the treatment that needed to be done from a Western standpoint, so I was like, well, I need to start changing how I'm living in the areas that I understand right now, and I started doing that.
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And so it took upwards of a year before I was able to get health insurance.
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But over that next year I started seeing.
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Well, my blood pressure improved and this symptom got a little bit better.
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And it was slow it's natural healing but it was happening.
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So by the time I was in a position then to if I wanted to get on that medication or explore this test or surgery or whatever it is, I was like I think I'm going to keep going the path I am until I stop making progress.
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So that for me, like I said, it was a curse at one point, but looking back now I'm so glad it happened that way because it's worked out.
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That forced me into a place of learning, growing, looking outside the box and really go in the opposite direction that I was living, to try to uncover anything I could to help myself.
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The whole process itself was about two, two and a half years, from my very beginning until I say my main symptoms are completely gone.
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Wow, thanks for sharing that with us, jason.
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Now I know I'm going to ask later about that slower process.
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That can somewhat be discouraging to some people, but we're going to get into that later.
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But definitely, knowing your story, I understand the title of your book right no Cure, no Problem.
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That title really stands out.
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It's bold and a bit of counterintuitive.
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What mindset shift are you hoping to aspire with the title?
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No cure, no problem?
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it largely came from the amount of people I worked with, and you meet so many different people that some people would walk in and ask you for a cure, or do you know about this or so, and so said this it cured them and they're good to go, and and then there's the opposite side, where then some people you know don't even believe they can heal or feel like they can heal everything, and so I wanted, up front, to get people to know there's no magic bullet.
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If there is, or it's invented one day, great.
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There are many things that can help us, but it's going to be a series of events.
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It's going to take using all the forms of medicine or lifestyle or health you believe in, and there's going to be synergy over time.
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The natural healing process of ourselves and the regeneration of new, healthier ones doesn't happen overnight.
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So, yes, I want you to get better overnight, but we need you to understand, for the sake of your long-term health, that this will be a process over months, if not years, and if you're okay with that, then it won't be a cure, but it won't be a problem to find healing and find better health than you have right now.
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I love that.
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No cure, no problem and you know your story is inspiring.
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But what really stands out to me, Elise, is how you've turned that personal journey into a system that others can follow, and now you're sharing that system in the book.
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So I want to unpack the core frameworks in your book that help people move from overwhelmed to organized, empowered healing.
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You introduce something called the lifestyle menu framework in your book and that's such a practical and visual concept, jason.
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What is it and how can it help someone organize their healing process?
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Yes.
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So during the writing of this and thinking of this, I kept getting in my head about the specifics, and every person that came to me just had more specifics, a different belief system.
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So I thought how can I help the most people across all beliefs, whether we agree or not?
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And I felt like I could do that by framing up their mind of the full view of what's required for someone who is going to heal, or the people I've seen not get results.
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Why didn't they get results?
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What were they falling short in?
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What did they not approach?
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What did they not believe in?
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The lifestyle menu is meant to frame the mind up of like these are all very important.
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Now one might be more important to you versus one's more important to me.
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You got to determine that because you're an individual and it's your own journey, right, but I wanted to frame that up to where they're looking at it from a 30,000 foot view.
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They're starting to say, okay, I need to focus on all these areas, not just one, and start where I'm at, not thinking there's this one way that's going to take you there.
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Like for me, I had to start with my faith journey, like it was the first thing in the first three to six months.
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If I didn't do that, I wasn't going to make it to physical healing.
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So I want people to know that's okay, because there's so many beliefs of if you don't do it this way, you're screwed, and I wanted to cut through that clutter of saying frame your mind up right.
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What you're doing specifically will evolve over time and be okay with that as you go through that journey.
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I actually love that because that ties into that theme of personalization that I definitely am about, especially focusing on genetics, but starting where you're at, because everyone's going to be different, Everyone's going to be in a different place, and I love that you brought out that you there was something that you had to focus on first in order for the other things that were coming down the line to be able to work and to stick, so that's very important.
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I think a lot of people don't realize that on their health journey that there are some things that you have to take care of first really Right, right To get you to that next step.
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Exactly Now, you also talk about the being triad mind, body and spirit.
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Why do you think aligning all three is crucial, especially for those dealing with chronic illness?
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I'm going to answer it probably three parts here.
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One, through the variety of people that I worked with, and I took all the people that I actually worked with that got like really good results, whether it's remission, a great healing story.
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Then I took all the people that did it and I looked for common themes.
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Okay, what I noticed?
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The people that went into remission.
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They eventually addressed all three to some degree and as their physical health got better, their mental health came along and their spiritual health, and there seemed like one would come up, then the next one would, and they would slowly catch up to each other.
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Right, but no matter what their resistance was, they did it and they went there and were uncomfortable.
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Then, when I got over here to the people that didn't see the result they wanted, there was very firm, hard roadblocks and they never were going to go talk about that or find someone to you know, mentally, work things out from their past or their traumas or whatever is going on.
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And so when I came to that, it was like this really matters, because I used to have a belief it had to start here, then go here and then go there, as far as like there's a specific order.
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Then I realized now, as long as you get to it, I don't get to decide where that person's best at starting.
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So I need to meet them, encourage them and let them grow into that next chapter and part of their mind or their body or their spirit in order to achieve what they needed to.
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And for me, I started with my spiritual practice before I could even get to the point that I knew what to do for my physical health, had to figure out my beliefs.
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So, knowing how I started, seeing how other people got there, I allowed my beliefs to get molded, that the end result can happen many different ways.
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Yeah, and you know that's tough work because you really have to dig deep, be willing to be vulnerable with yourself.
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Forget about being vulnerable with others, but sometimes the hardest person to be vulnerable with is yourself.
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To be honest and open about what's really going on and what you need, and we can put up resistance, build those roadblocks on our own, you know, yeah, so definitely we have to be willing to push through those roadblocks so that we can grow and we can heal.
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So I love that you brought those out.
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Now, as a pharmacist, one of the most relatable parts of your work is how you blend food, herbs and medical care.
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So for some unfamiliar with that approach, how do you begin layering those elements strategically?
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So my expertise is understanding food and herbs specifically.
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The first thing I do is I had to seek out and find good medical professionals and pharmacists that understood their practice and were an expert in knowing and understanding pharmacology but also were curious enough to want to learn about this because they know I can help you in all these ways.
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But I also see where this can be beneficial.
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So finding good people that we could like, share openly and be vulnerable to what you're saying, to find like how they mesh, it took a while, but once I had those relationships, that was huge.
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That brought down a lot of fear, a lot of unknown for both sides and all the professionals working with.
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So doing that and then being able to find the proof that I needed on how to use them safely and how different countries, like in Europe, if I wanted to go practice herbalism there, I could technically say I'm going to treat this cancer with this herb and that's legal.
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Can't do that here in America.
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Well, why and what's different there?
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So learning about what they do have clinical research on.
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A lot of my research has been in cancer and autoimmune and there are many clinics that put herbs right next to the most harsh chemo and radiation.
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So I started learning about what herbs do work that way and what absolutely don't that cause somebody to, you know, be a fatal or have an organ failure or something like that and through that I realized just how safe some of them can be, to the point of like they can actually decrease the toxic side effects of some pharmaceutical meds.
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Okay, so when doing that, that opened the door up of like there's food grade herbs.
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Food grade herbs you can eat food next to any pharmaceutical.
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Well, just about so.
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Once understanding that it was more like all right, so this isn't the harshest thing, this isn't as scary as what our culture has made it seem.
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And so through that process of learning and seeing that, that's how I discovered, so I got a few decent resources around that as well to share with people so that they can quell their anxiety around it and see how well it works together.
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Yeah.
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So you've definitely done that work, that research to be familiar with those herbs and how they can be used and what's safe and not safe, what's going to work, what's not going to work, and so we appreciate that.
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Now we talked about creating the personalized roadmap, that personalization, but that plan doesn't exist in isolation.
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Right In the real world, people they're on medications, they're seeing specialists, they're trying supplements, all at the same time.
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So let's talk about how to actually bridge conventional care with herbal and lifestyle medicine in a safe way.
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And with you, jason, you directly work in a clinic that blends alternative and conventional medicine.
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So how do you guide your clients through combining treatments like IV therapy with herbs and lifestyle changes?
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I'd say two phases.
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First is being in direct communication with their professionals, being able to have that relationship, because that's huge.
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New things pop up every day in that type of area.
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And then I try to give true informed consent.
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I'm not going to give you medical advice and say you need to go do this treatment, but I try to talk through them so they understand the pros and cons of both sides.
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They can find where they're at and then have better questions to ask back to the doctor they're going to see, including maybe the specialist that I am not in contact with.
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So I try to more educate in our time so they can arrive at a better conclusion on how they want to do it.
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I'll provide them the facts, the safety, that from my perspective, and then have them compare it with their other professional.
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So it's what I find is if I can educate and get them to think of the right questions and as long as they're going to advocate for themselves, they're going to go have a really good conversation with whatever specialist that is to get to the conclusion and care that they want.
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So it's a lot of time, time and education being patient.
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It's definitely needed.
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I love that you are still in communication with their provider.
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It takes a team to help people heal, so it's not a solo project.
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It's not a solo.
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I wouldn't say it's a project, but it's not.
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You know, it's our mission to help people and we can't do it by ourselves.
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No, not at all yeah.
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So now you mentioned earlier how other countries view herbalism, the use of it and treating different conditions.
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We know it's widely used across the world, but it still seems so like fringe in the United States.
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Why do you think it's so underutilized here and what needs to change in your opinion?
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Definitely education from a younger age.
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It's not in our houses, like you know, grandmothers, and culturally speaking it's like in so many other countries.
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You're getting exposed at such a young age and it's passed down and I think we've lost a lot of that here in America where we don't pass that down generation wise.
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And then also what's marketed to us.
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I understand that there's contraindications across some herbs and some medications, but there's contraindications with medication and medication.
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So it's not an herb fear thing, it's educating to understand the pathology enough to then go into it and figure out what that looks like.
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So I think there's a lack of societal acceptance so people don't go into the field because of how we're taught to think about it as a culture here.
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And since we have lost that cultural pass down of information where I'm going to trust my grandmother over somebody on TikTok, since we lost that, where do we get it again?
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Where do we build that trust or faith that I want to go that way?
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So it's like this series of generational and years of it going one way and being told watch out for this, and I think that is just built into what we have now.
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That's true.
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It's definitely built in and the culture we live in now.
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An education would definitely be needed.
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I knew I grew up in a Caribbean culture.
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I was born in Jamaica.
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I came to the United States when I was four so I didn't know what medication was.
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I don't even know how I became a pharmacist, yeah, but that's so cool, like because I can't say that Like I had no clue.
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That's so cool yeah everything was just natural.
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We had herbs Like my mom would boil the actual herb will be in the water being boiled for tea, like we didn't have tea bags.
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It was the literal herb that we were drinking from that source and the food from the ground.
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And so I really got sick as a child.
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It wasn't until I was older, on my own, where I wasn't practicing or doing what my culture, my mom, raised us, you know, as I started like getting allergies and all that kind of stuff.
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So so definitely, yeah, they can be lost if we don't have that in society anymore, where your grandmother is teaching you X, y and Z about these herbs.
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And, yeah, now we have social media with a whole bunch of nonsense, you know, and not many people are well equipped to know that they need to just do their research, to fact check, rather than just follow whatever it is they hear someone say.
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So, definitely, education is needed and that's what you have been doing.
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So thank you for being part of the solution, jason.
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Now we know that there are people that are listening to us right now, listen to you talking, and they're probably thinking you know, this all sounds great.
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It sounds good, but where do I start, and that's where your approach really shines, because it's not just philosophical, it's deeply practical.
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So let's talk about the tools you offer to help people take action with clarity and confidence.
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For someone who's overwhelmed by this conflict and advice.
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They're on TikTok, they see one thing, they go on Google, they see something else, but they have these chronic symptoms.
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What's the first thing that you recommend they do?
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The thing that, no matter the belief system that we can agree on, master it first.
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So, like I call it, the fundamental four and there's rarely a person that walks in that I meet originally that is doing all four things.
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Well, let's say 90% of the time.
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So I'd say oxygen breathing mechanics Do you have proper diaphragmatic pressure?
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Is that massaging your organs and your lymphatic system?
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We're seated all the time, we don't move, that gets shut down.
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So oxygen, cellular oxygen, hydration, and that can be both blood and cellular level, but just because you drink water doesn't mean you're so hydrated on cellular level.
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Sleep like what's your sleep hygiene look like?
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And then nourishment and for me nourishment is both macro and micronutrients and not undernourishing, because, yes, there are plenty of people that overeat and that's an overconsumption thing, but there are a lot of people that are deficient in micronutrients and undernourished.
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So if you can start there, get all those going.
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Every pharmaceutical drug, every herb, every natural therapy, every single thing you do will work better because you now have those fundamental parts of your body in order.
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People say, well, what about food?
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Like there's so many belief systems, is it a whole real food?
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Start there and you're doing better than 90% of people Start there and you're doing better than 90% of people.
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From that point, I've really tried, like you, master those.
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Now you got to find yourself somebody you can trust and let them guide you in the next steps, like specifically.
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Obviously you got to critically think, you got to go through the process, but that's where you got to close your circle, trust the people that are in your circle and move forward with them on those specifics so you don't get pulled in the wrong direction.
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But the one thing we can agree on is those things are fundamental to human health and we teach our kids that when they're first born and then as we age, we stop practicing those things.
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We sacrifice sleep, we don't drink the right things, our nourishment goes out the window, it's all about pleasure, and so it's just this slow spiral downhill that I'm like you gotta stop that and not just chase the cure.
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Yeah, because like those other things gotta happen they have to happen.
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Great advice, great advice and very practical indeed.
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Oxygen water and so much more, but let's bring this to life, because there may be someone listening out there and they may be skeptical, but seeing what's possible can be a turning point for them.
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So let's talk results.
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Jason, Can you share a client story that really highlights the power of layering herbs, nutrition and integrative care over time?
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Yes, I'm going to take a gentleman.
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He's actually a testimonial in the book and I think he hits it in a lot of different ways.
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But he had a good support system at home, had a great wife who was like you're not doing this alone.
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He got diagnosed with MS and you know that's one of those big ones where you hear it and you're like my whole life's over.
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They did a good job of not treating the MS like it was an event, but that it was a process.
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He was almost 50 years old when it happened, so he didn't just immediately get feared into making the next decision.
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He took a second and said all right, where are all the things I could do better in?
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He did go see his neurologist.
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He still does to this day, does his annual checkups with them.
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But he never used the medication to address his condition.
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He dove into figuring out what was in his body, his microbiome.
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Do I have any poisons?
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We found a high level of lead in his body.
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Got that down to a normal level.
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We found deficiencies, got that fixed back up.
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This happened over months and years.
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So it was about two, two and a half years in.
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Then he had started to get drop foot from the MS.
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He had some shoulder issues, that.
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But he finally built up his foundation enough with his sleep, with his nourishment he's made progress that he could finally exercise again.
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Then he could begin working on fixing the drop foot and doing physical therapy and that Fast forward in like the last year or two he's actually been able to go on a hunting trip with his son, which he lost the ability to because of the drop foot.
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So over this three and a half four year period he went from not being able to do anything, thinking I'm going to be in a wheelchair, to he is going out hunting this year.
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But he used his specialist, he used his primary care.
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